Stop the 16 March marches and Latvians revising history!
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#926 ?2012-03-04 11:07Правящие партии обсудят перевод садиков на латышский язык обучения В понедельник партии правящей коалиции планируют обсудить предложение VL-ТБ/ДННЛ о полном переводе системы дошкольного образования на латышский язык обучения. Планируется, что в переговорах примет участие также министр образования и науки Роберт Килис, который, как известно, не поддерживает идею Национального союза. Между тем, представители VL-ТБ/ДННЛ разработали изменения в Сатверсме и Законе о гражданстве, а также правила, предусматривающие, что обучение в детских садах происходит только на государственном языке. "Нет оправданий тому, что через 20 лет после восстановления независимости государство все еще поддерживает сегрегацию общества, уже с раннего детства разделяя жителей Латвии на разные общины", — отметил сопредседатель Нацсоюза Райвис Дзинтарс. Коалиция обсудит также сокращение круга вопросов, по которым разрешается проводить референдумы. http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/politics/pravyaschie-partii-obsudyat-perevod-sadikov-na-latyshskij-yazyk-obucheniya.d?id=42179922 |
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#9272012-03-04 13:08 К сожалению, в последнее время фашистская атрибутика, детали биографий людоедов, командовавших гитлеровской Германией, связанные с их жизнью артефакты и т. п. в целом ряде стран беззастенчиво используются просто как элементы масс-культуры. Шоу-бизнес окружает их неким романтическим ореолом, чтобы легче жевалось "потребляющему большинству". Многие руководители западных стран смотрят на шествия и нацистские сборища в Прибалтике и даже в Украине как на невинные шалости молодых демократий. Однако, помимо нравственных законов, не позволяющих приличному человеку сколачивать капитал на некоторых весьма грязных современных видах бизнеса, существуют еще и вполне юридические межгосударственные соглашения (начиная с Нюрнберга), в явной форме запрещающие пропаганду фашизма, геноцида и т. д. В связи с этим предлагаю комитету, собирающему наши подписи, обратиться лично к руководителям стран Европы (как наиболее пострадавшей во 2 Мировой войне), чтобы каждый из них высказал свою позицию по поводу этих нацистских игр. Я имею право на это, потому что мой дядя - старший брат моей матери - прошел всю Отечественную и погиб 30 мая. Потому что моя страна потеряла в войне 26000000 человек. Не говоря уж о колоссальных материальных потерях. Предлагаю также ввести как морально-этические санкции против тех, кто поддерживает фашизм (например, в виде лишения виз), так и вполне материальные. Скажем, штрафовать правительства за поддержку фашистских сборищ. Деньги эти не повредят тем, кто пострадал во время 2 Мировой. И последнее. Масштабы этих мероприятий все время растут. Будь то лагеря ОУН, будь то шествия легионеров СС. Гитлер и его соратники отлично понимали, что будущее куется сегодня. Отсюда в ограбленной Германии 30-х: молодежные военно-спортивные лагеря, Гитлерюгенд, отряды штурмовиков. Чему учат молодежь фашистские недобитки прошлой Мировой? От нас сейчас зависит, нацепят ли они завтра свастику и перейдут ли под звуки "Хорста Весселя" чужие границы. |
juris |
#929 don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-04 21:50Don't believe this bullshit. These people were forcible taken in German army, yes it true. But they fought not for Germany but again bloody soviet regime. One year before Germans, Latvia was occupied by Soviets and it was enough to fully experience soviet terror. Almost all of these boys as most Latvians lost relatives or friends in this year - called Horrible Year in Latvia. So they fought against Russia in German troops in hope to defeat Nazis afterwards with help of US or UK. |
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#930 Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-04 22:34 |
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#931 Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-04 22:35#930: - Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis Really, so how did 80,000 Jews get murdered on Latvian soil between 1941-42? Did they simply jump into pits and kill themselves? |
juris |
#932 Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-05 00:01#931: - Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis Latvian legioners aren't related to this. Please learn history before offending people. |
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#933 Re: Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-05 00:31#932: juris - Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis Many of the men who later joined the SS legion in 1943 had been in the Arajs commandos and auxiliary police who between 1941-1942 participated in the mass murders of 80,000 Jews on Latvian soil. Maybe you need to read some history before you start offending people.
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Guy from Latvia |
#934 Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-05 01:08#931: - Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis They were killed by Nazi einsatzgruppe not by legion |
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#9352012-03-05 01:53 I think European governments should be aware of official position of Latvian president and other polititians,who support nazi movement in Latvia. |
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#936 Re: Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis2012-03-05 02:04#934: Guy from Latvia - Re: Re: Re: don't believe russian propaganda these people weren't nazis And in those groups operated Latvian Arajs commandos and latvian auxiliary police |
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#9372012-03-05 10:41People died from hands of this fugitives! It is discusting! Latvians goverment - think what are u doing! |
LAT |
#939 latvia2012-03-05 22:05Unterstuetzung von Waffen SS ist die Folgerung der nazistischen Politik in Lettland. Wenn Waffen SS Helden un Kaempfer fuer die Befreiung Lettlands waren,dann warum kaempften die unter den Fahnen von der Faschistischen Armee ,ausserdem haben die dem Fuehrer geschwoert: Zvērests, ko leģionāri deva latviešu valodā, skanēja: "Dieva vārdā es svinīgi apsolos cīņā pret boļševismu vācu bruņoto spēku virspavēlniekam Ādolfam Hitleram bezierunu paklausību un kā drošsirdīgs karavīrs būšu vienmēr gatavs par šo zvērestu atdot savu dzīvību." "Ich schwore bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, dass ich im Kampf gegen des Bolschewismus dem Oberstem Befehlshaber der Deutscher Wermacht, Adolf Hitler, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapfer Soldat bereit sein Will, jederzeit fur diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen." |
Descrimination in Latvia |
#9402012-03-05 22:07Stop Discrimination in Latvia. Stop languige Gestapo in Latvia! |
kafka |
#941 kafka2012-03-05 22:09Russians should mind their own country- there are neo-nazis even in Russian parliament. Everyday people of different ethnicities ar attacked and killed in Moscow, so clean up your own country. And besides every year in 9th may you are celebrating how your army of drunks and rapists "defeated" germans in ww2. If I look at the Germany today and your hellhole of Russia, I am not so sure who won. |
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#9422012-03-05 22:18People from across the world are voting on this petition, some happen to be Russian but the initiator of this petition happens to be British! Kafka would turn in his grave knowing how you misuse his name. Did you know Kafka was Jewish? Did you know that this petition is against glorification of former ss veterans who murdered 80,000 jews on Latvian soil? |
vlad |
#9432012-03-06 11:26Русские солдаты в отместку за то,что немцы натворили в СССР могли уничтожить огромное число немцев и немцы понимали это и боялись,но этого не произошло и не могло быть в массовом порядке. Об этом достаточно правдиво писали после войны немецкие офицеры и они с уважением относились к русскому солдату,солдаты вермахта презрительно относились к войскам SS |
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#9442012-03-06 11:34Нельзя допустить повторения 1933 года. Новый нацизм должен быть остановлен. |
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#946 News2012-03-06 13:48It isn't simple procession of the former fascists, their business is continued by their descendants who carry out same to the policy of nazism in the country. Where people share on citizens of Latvians who belong to dominating race, on citizens aren'latvians which are considered as bad citizens and on those, aliens who in general don't have rights. The majority of them was born in Latvia and lives here all life, pays taxes, them name aliens. Having stopped procession of the former fascists, we should and stop further the nazi policy of the Latvian government.Не there can be an European state discriminating people on their ethnic origin. |
TheLuckyOne |
#947 TheLuckyOne2012-03-06 21:42I hate Nazis, and I am sure that Hitler is rotting in the hell and I would spit on his grave if he had one, however my grand father will be going on those so called "fashist" marches because that is the day, when he can remember and pay respec to his fallen comrades- young boys, just like he was when he was made to join waffen-ss. They are just remembering their fallen brothers in arms. There are not one person in ss uniform or anything like that. Russians are rememmbering their fallen soldiers every year in Riga in 9th of may- they are celebrating, drinking cheap vodka till they pass out and no one is bothering them. Russians from their fucked up country are teaching how others should behave. That's hilarious :DDD Your country has the same understanding of democracy as the North Korean truck driver. You people sell your votes in elections for 500 Rubles :DDDDD |
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#948 Re: TheLuckyOne2012-03-06 22:16#947: TheLuckyOne - TheLuckyOne Well, then that is ok then. Hope when you are marching you remember all the murdered people who happened to be Jews who some of your granddads mates murdered in their capacity as Nazi collaborators, arajs commandos and auxilliary police in 1941-1942. By the way if you type in in google images under 16 march latvian marches there are quite a few Nazi sumbols flashing around your 'peaceful' marches with flowers.
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#949 Re: Re: TheLuckyOne2012-03-06 22:53Ok, go back to my previous post and read it very slowly and very carefuly until your little brains actually get it. I hate fucking Nazis. Hovever this march is only abouth the things I said, nothing more. Are you saying that 9th of may should be forbidden because there were cases in ww2 when some russian soldiers were shooting innocent children or raping everything that move. I am not saying that those who actually took part in killing jews should be honored or rememmbered in any way. Fuck them. |
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#9502012-03-06 23:05Did you know that the ECRI report since 2008 has stated that all marches with Nazi and SS associations should be banned in EU countries which Latvia has been granted status? Perhaps you need to broaden your mind and knowledge before you are abusive to others |
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