Суд над Бхагавад-гитой / Attempt to ban Bhagavad-gita

http://www.k-istine.ru/sects/mosk/mosk_pandit.htm
Interview with indologist Moti Lal Pandit
About "the International society of consciousness of Krishna"

Question: Please, be presented. Who you by training and what your trade?

Moti Lal Pandit: My name is Moti Lal Pandit, I индолог. I have written about 25 books devoted индуизму and the Buddhism. Now I teach in Delhi, and also closely I co-operate with the International Dialogue-centre in Arhus. Now I, basically, specialise on Buddhism studying. Also I one of editors of magazine "Mystic India". I the Catholic, was catholicized from индуизма, I occur from a family брахманов. I try to inform to Hindus essence of Christian spirituality, and to give the chance to Christians to familiarise with the Buddhism and индуизмом. I am engaged in it for a long time.

In: That do you think of statements of members МОСК what they are representatives traditional индуизма?

МЛП: the Movement which has arisen in XVI century in India, more precisely, in Bengal, combined Vedic and not Vedic traditions of India, however then it occurred in frameworks more or less orthodox индуизма. From your permission I nevertheless will name its orthodox. As to movement to "Jara Krishna" (this phenomenon has arisen in 60-70th years in America), though теологически it partly and continues a line which has arisen in a XVII-th century, социологически it is perfect to it does not belong. Also explain it two circumstances: first, МОСК for own propagation has apprehended new western techniques. And secondly, МОСК exists mainly for the western people. According to the tradition accepted in индуизме to become the Hindu it is impossible, they can be born only. In this sense МОСК is a modernist interpretation. They are absolutely not right, when declare that represent traditional индуизм as actually are followers completely not Vedic, and sectarian tradition.

In: Really, there are some levels индуизма. One is ostensibly 5000-year-old Vedic tradition. The second - much younger cult of Krishna. And, at last, the movement which has arisen in a XVII-th century under Chajtani. But whereas you explain the fact that among the books which have been let out МОСК, practically there are no works of Chajtani. Everything that you will find are Prabhupada's books. Even if it is "Bhagavad-Gita" - you will find out not the classical text of this poem, and Prabhupada's supplied with its comments only modernist retelling.

МЛП: Earlier Prabhupada belonged to the theological school which founder is Chajtanja. Prabhupada has given to this doctrine the new interpretation. In this sense we can quite tell that it is the founder of new tradition. On the one hand, it is connected with tradition of Chajtani, on the other hand is a new religious movement. Because it is turned only to the West, to неиндусам.

In: What relation of Hindus to МОСК?

МЛП: First the white people (Americans) dancing in streets of India, caused in them euphoria. But now Hindus more do not accept МОСК. You see even in the centre of all movement, in Mature where, under the legend, was born Krishna, they are not authorised to come into traditional temples. At all it is not authorised, because they white-skinned and traditional индуизм them at all does not recognise. They lead the closed life in the Indian society, without mixing up with it. And the Indian society does not accept them.

In: Please, repeat once again the name of that place where was born Krishna.

МЛП: It is Matura, in area Vrindavana. In Vrindavane is their own ашрам. But into traditional temples it do not allow to enter. Absolutely. And when are spent индуистские the congresses or other actions organised by traditional Hindus or the guru, representatives МОСК never to them invite. In this sense they do not represent индуизм as that. The same occurs and to Christian sects. They can proclaim themselves Christians, but unless them recognises though one traditional faith?

In: whether it is comparable with the relation between sect "Witnesses of Iegovy" and Christianity?

МЛП: And and is not present. Understand, in индуизме any and everyone can create sect. At us it is uncontrolled process.

In: you want to tell, what in India a word "sect" does not bear negative sense?

МЛП: Exactly. If you the strong guru or the strong person, you can organise sect and collect round yourselves followers. And associates will not worry about it. But as soon as you want to unite with traditional system, at once there will be a problem - you will be accepted by it or not. The Buddhism, for example, has been accepted by considerable number индуистов, but traditionally it runs counter to theological bases индуизма. The Same and with МОСК - in modern индуизме it is considered as неоиндуизм. It can accept as неоиндуистское a current, but traditional индуизм at all does not recognise it.

In: So, why МОСК cannot be recognised by traditional индуизмом? Only for the reason, what its members were not born in India?

МЛП: No, not only. As well because of their theological interpretation. At them the head, the divinity, the school which is called as "Geda-Veda" that the dualism and монизм means.

That school to which Prabhupada belonged, more does not recognise it. Here that the main thing. They do not recognise its interpretation of tradition. It belonged to this school, but has based new sect, it means that it has broken away from the school, and she more does not recognise it. When it was still live, him at all did not invite to participate in the congresses.

In: But, probably, it did not make for it a problem as it was happy with growth of own movement.

МЛП: Yes, it was happy, because has created, so to say, own индуизм or the sect. And financially it did not depend any more on traditional school to which earlier belonged, even became much richer than it.

In: whether Usually for неоиндуистских sects to proclaim itself representatives of ancient Vedic tradition? Or it is feature only МОСК, for example, in Russia?

МЛП: the Majority неоиндуистских the sects operating in the West, do not assert that they belong to traditional индуизму. For example, such as Radzhnesh or Aurobindo or Missija Ramakrishny do not assert that represent traditional индуизм. They will tell that their doctrine is eclectic, but in a basis lies индуизм. In this sense МОСК it is strong from them differs. Its members for what do not name themselves неоиндуистами, but will assure that they strictly adhere брахманических to traditions. At first sight, it is truth since they really shave off hair, dance in streets, the western people outwardly completely индианизируются adhere to a special diet, otherwise. In other sects their members cultural not индианизируются. And this strong distinction. In МОСК you cultural and mentally индианизируетесь.

In: What relation to МОСК from a society and the government of India?

МЛП: Indifferent. As I already spoke, in India a large quantity of sects. And so was from the very beginning индуизма. Therefore nobody is surprised to that there are new sects. However, Radzhnesha nobody has accepted. It was the only thing who has revolted Hindus with the sexual orgies. Other sects did not excite neither the government, nor a society as a whole. Because only so индуизм also functions. If you the influential person, you can surround yourselves with pupils and to become god. It excites nobody. The same in India occurs and to Islam (It is necessary to notice that over the last ten years the relation of authorities of India to sect has changed. So the embassy of India actively lobbied building huge кришнаитского a temple in Moscow. – comment МС).

On July, 1st, 1996 Arhus, Denmark



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